1 00:00:13,981 --> 00:00:19,553 Switch on! 1-2-3! 2 00:00:20,921 --> 00:00:27,461 Electric sparks rush through his body 3 00:00:27,461 --> 00:00:34,368 Jiro, change! Become Kikaider! 4 00:00:34,368 --> 00:00:37,671 Stand against the robots of DARK! 5 00:00:37,671 --> 00:00:44,645 Android Kikaider! 6 00:00:44,645 --> 00:00:48,382 Change, change! 7 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:52,252 Go, go, go, go! 8 00:00:52,252 --> 00:00:52,686 Go, go, go! 9 00:00:52,686 --> 00:00:54,21 Making of Kikaider 10 00:00:52,686 --> 00:00:54,21 Go, go, go! 11 00:00:54,21 --> 00:00:55,689 Making of Kikaider 12 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:58,225 Hello, everyone. 13 00:00:58,225 --> 00:00:58,458 Kikaider/Jiro: Daisuke Ban 14 00:00:58,225 --> 00:00:58,458 Hello, everyone. 15 00:00:58,458 --> 00:01:00,894 Kikaider/Jiro: Daisuke Ban 16 00:00:58,458 --> 00:01:00,894 I'm Daisuke Ban, playing Kikaider and Jiro. 17 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,796 Kikaider/Jiro: Daisuke Ban 18 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,796 It's nice to see you again. 19 00:01:02,796 --> 00:01:03,163 Kikaider/Jiro: 20 00:01:02,796 --> 00:01:03,163 Daisuke Ban 21 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:11,104 Today I'd like to look back on my memories of filming Kikaider with you 22 00:01:11,104 --> 00:01:19,446 and mix in some testimony from other staff members. 23 00:01:21,281 --> 00:01:22,950 Hey, I'm Toru Hirayama, producer of Kikaider. 24 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:25,752 Producers Toru Hirayama Susumu Yoshikawa 25 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:25,752 Hey, I'm Toru Hirayama, producer of Kikaider. 26 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:27,754 Producers Toru Hirayama Susumu Yoshikawa 27 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:27,754 Thanks for having me. 28 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:30,891 Producers Toru Hirayama Susumu Yoshikawa 29 00:01:27,754 --> 00:01:30,891 And I'm also a producer of Kikaider, Susumu Yoshikawa. 30 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:31,358 And I'm also a producer of Kikaider, Susumu Yoshikawa. 31 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:38,31 Kamen Rider had new 32 00:01:32,626 --> 00:01:38,31 monsters every episode, 33 00:01:38,31 --> 00:01:42,603 and we had Ishinomori-san 34 00:01:38,31 --> 00:01:42,603 drawing the monsters every time, 35 00:01:42,603 --> 00:01:48,842 so we'd meet up once a week or so for him to draw monsters. 36 00:01:48,842 --> 00:01:53,480 It wasn't much time, but Ishinomori-san had this mysterious ability 37 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,550 to talk about things while he was drawing. 38 00:01:56,550 --> 00:02:02,89 We'd be talking about what the next monster would be, and he'd be drawing, 39 00:02:02,89 --> 00:02:08,195 and | said, "You know, Kamen Rider was a great idea, 40 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:13,400 but I'd like a show with a 41 00:02:08,195 --> 00:02:13,400 more tearjerking premise." 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,836 And he said, "Hey, that sounds good." 43 00:02:15,836 --> 00:02:21,642 And he starts drawing, and in minutes he's got the red and blue design. 44 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:31,852 And minutes later, he'd also drawn the yellow Sidecar 45 00:02:31,852 --> 00:02:36,56 and put Mitsuko in it. 46 00:02:36,56 --> 00:02:40,60 He just worked so fast. 47 00:02:40,60 --> 00:02:43,664 | did so much work with Ishinomori-san, 48 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:50,804 but he finished all that just while we were talking about Kamen Rider. 49 00:02:50,804 --> 00:02:56,443 And luckily, around that time, Shinichi Miyazaki was asking me 50 00:02:58,111 --> 00:03:02,215 "Have you got anything like Kamen Rider?" and | said "We just came up with something. 51 00:03:02,215 --> 00:03:08,355 | showed it to him and he said 52 00:03:02,215 --> 00:03:08,355 "This looks cool, let's go with that." 53 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:11,391 But we didn't know what to call it. 54 00:03:11,391 --> 00:03:17,731 We used "Kikaider" ("it's a machine") as a placeholder name. 55 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:24,271 And when we used that name in the end, 56 00:03:24,271 --> 00:03:26,673 the higher-ups got really mad about it. 57 00:03:26,673 --> 00:03:29,109 "That's such a lazy name." 58 00:03:30,444 --> 00:03:33,714 But I'm so glad we went with "Kikaider." 59 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:37,718 It meant you could bring in Bijinder ("It's beautiful") and Waruder ("It's evil"). 60 00:03:37,718 --> 00:03:43,390 You could just do anything as long as you put -der at the end. 61 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:47,761 | think it made the whole 62 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:47,761 environment more relaxed. 63 00:03:47,761 --> 00:03:51,932 When the environment is 64 00:03:47,761 --> 00:03:51,932 relaxed, you can do good work. 65 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:59,206 So that's about how the 66 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:59,206 planning phase went. 67 00:03:59,606 --> 00:04:04,10 Yoshikawa-san, remember what you said... 68 00:04:04,10 --> 00:04:05,112 The lockout. 69 00:04:05,112 --> 00:04:08,281 That needs a little buildup. 70 00:04:08,281 --> 00:04:12,452 I've heard stories from other people 71 00:04:12,452 --> 00:04:16,490 The main stations that aired 72 00:04:12,452 --> 00:04:16,490 Kamen Rider originally 73 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:20,494 were Osaka's Mainichi Broadcasting System 74 00:04:20,494 --> 00:04:24,631 and TV Asahi... well, it was NET at the time. 75 00:04:24,631 --> 00:04:25,599 Oh, NET, that's right. 76 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:36,42 They wanted me to work on a show like Kamen Rider so they could compete. 77 00:04:36,42 --> 00:04:43,383 So their thought was, 7:30, Kamen Rider. 78 00:04:43,383 --> 00:04:49,489 8:00, Kikaider, then 8:30, Devilman. A very powerful block. 79 00:04:49,489 --> 00:04:54,895 And we gave the concept concrete form based on that request. 80 00:04:54,895 --> 00:05:01,968 They said, you can't make something just like Kamen Rider. 81 00:05:01,968 --> 00:05:10,110 They wanted contrast. A show that was 180 degrees reversed. 82 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:14,281 That was the original request. 83 00:05:14,281 --> 00:05:17,951 That's how we approached it, anyway. 84 00:05:17,951 --> 00:05:26,259 And Hirayama-san was the king of shows like this. 85 00:05:26,259 --> 00:05:30,197 Before that, I'd only worked on shows for adults. 86 00:05:30,197 --> 00:05:35,569 I'd done a lot of different genres, of course. 87 00:05:35,569 --> 00:05:41,141 But to create a really contrasting show, 88 00:05:41,141 --> 00:05:44,945 Ryotoku Watanabe said, "Hey, you do it." 89 00:05:44,945 --> 00:05:47,247 He just threw me into it. 90 00:05:47,247 --> 00:05:53,820 It was my first time working on a show like this. 91 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:56,556 | had absolutely no idea how to do it 92 00:05:56,556 --> 00:06:06,633 so to make it better than Kamen 93 00:05:56,556 --> 00:06:06,633 Rider, we came up with a grand theme and all these details, 94 00:06:06,633 --> 00:06:08,869 and approached it that way. 95 00:06:08,869 --> 00:06:10,804 That's how we went about it. 96 00:06:11,304 --> 00:06:15,375 And | overlapped with it from that point. 97 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:22,315 See, the stuff that I'd come up working on... 98 00:06:22,315 --> 00:06:28,588 Sumiko Fuji's stuff... like the Josei Bunkei Rosen films from Toei, about women's dramatic lives. 99 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:31,324 The samurai drama series 100 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:31,324 Nihon Kenkyakuden. 101 00:06:31,324 --> 00:06:37,230 | tried to integrate what I'd learned there to a children's show. 102 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:45,939 It was always someone all alone, getting assaulted on all sides. 103 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:47,607 It felt like, “what am | making?" 104 00:06:47,607 --> 00:06:54,381 But | still remember, Ishinomori-sensei really liked it. 105 00:06:54,381 --> 00:06:58,485 He said he really liked my work. 106 00:06:58,485 --> 00:07:09,296 | remember that gave me the confidence to go on. 107 00:07:10,497 --> 00:07:16,770 And really, an android... that's a robot. 108 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:20,573 It's a robot that looks just like a human. 109 00:07:20,573 --> 00:07:26,146 An android, you know. 110 00:07:28,682 --> 00:07:36,389 He has a deep desire to be human, to be more human. 111 00:07:36,389 --> 00:07:43,330 Ishinomori-sensei talked a lot 112 00:07:36,389 --> 00:07:43,330 about it while he was drawing. 113 00:07:44,97 --> 00:07:45,765 The conscience circuit. 114 00:07:48,501 --> 00:07:51,504 Robots don't have a conscience 115 00:07:48,501 --> 00:07:51,504 without a conscience circuit. 116 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:57,911 He's an unusual robot who's 117 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:57,911 been given one of those. 118 00:07:57,911 --> 00:08:05,719 You see a lot of works based off of 119 00:07:57,911 --> 00:08:05,719 Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics. 120 00:08:05,719 --> 00:08:08,788 But you didn't have movies like that back then. 121 00:08:08,788 --> 00:08:15,95 And as | said earlier, | didn't have much knowledge or knowhow about robots. 122 00:08:15,95 --> 00:08:24,70 Ishinomori-sensei really emphasized the rivalry, the gap between humans and robots, 123 00:08:24,70 --> 00:08:27,73 very specifically and carefully. 124 00:08:27,73 --> 00:08:31,778 And within that, elements of human drama. 125 00:08:31,778 --> 00:08:35,181 But | think we ended up focusing mostly on that part. 126 00:08:35,181 --> 00:08:40,620 Still, that's the part people seem to really like. 127 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:46,626 So the ratings... we were against The Drifters’ variety show 128 00:08:46,626 --> 00:08:49,429 that got about 50%. 129 00:08:49,429 --> 00:08:58,538 At ten-something percent, it was a constant struggle. It really didn't do all that well. 130 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:08,281 But little by little... and you especially see it nowadays. 131 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:13,753 I get people telling me, "Kikaider was so great." 132 00:09:13,753 --> 00:09:15,755 That makes me happy. 133 00:09:16,790 --> 00:09:22,729 But it makes sense. Having it be about a robot makes it more interesting. 134 00:09:22,729 --> 00:09:27,700 And Hirayama-san mentioned it earlier... 135 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:35,642 Just after it aired, the Toei TV Pro labor dispute started. 136 00:09:35,642 --> 00:09:37,343 There was a lockout. 137 00:09:37,343 --> 00:09:43,283 So we had to work at this studio in 138 00:09:37,343 --> 00:09:43,283 Chitose-Karasuyama called Sakae Pro. 139 00:09:43,283 --> 00:09:45,919 We spent a lot of time filming there. 140 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:47,921 How many episodes? 141 00:09:47,921 --> 00:09:51,491 Something like ten episodes, | think. 142 00:09:51,491 --> 00:09:52,992 Something like that. 143 00:09:52,992 --> 00:09:55,395 That was quite a place. 144 00:09:55,395 --> 00:09:57,97 It was falling apart. 145 00:09:57,97 --> 00:09:58,932 Really improvised. 146 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:03,903 We really couldn't have done it without you, Yoshikawa-san. 147 00:10:03,903 --> 00:10:06,706 Because there was nobody else there. 148 00:10:06,706 --> 00:10:11,77 And they'd shoot it, and nobody knew where the film was. 149 00:10:11,77 --> 00:10:17,851 The director, Hatakeyama-san, constantly had me searching for film. 150 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:24,23 I'd open the editor room. "Anything from Toei?” "Haven't seen it." 151 00:10:24,23 --> 00:10:27,193 | had to stop by a few different places. 152 00:10:27,193 --> 00:10:30,130 That's so irresponsible! 153 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:34,934 Of course they don't know where it is. 154 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:39,606 There were a small number 155 00:10:34,934 --> 00:10:39,606 of TV professionals. 156 00:10:39,606 --> 00:10:45,178 Sasaki-san and Naraba-chan. 157 00:10:39,606 --> 00:10:45,178 A few of them were there. 158 00:10:45,178 --> 00:10:49,716 We worked there together. Working so hard. 159 00:10:49,716 --> 00:10:53,219 And when the lockout was lifted, 160 00:10:53,219 --> 00:10:57,790 we resumed with the 161 00:10:53,219 --> 00:10:57,790 location shoot in Tamagawa. 162 00:10:57,790 --> 00:11:02,362 Then suddenly the Toei Union burst in. 163 00:11:02,362 --> 00:11:05,732 And they kidnapped me. 164 00:11:05,732 --> 00:11:07,901 They told us to stop filming right away. 165 00:11:07,901 --> 00:11:14,741 And a main figure in the union at the time was Juzo Yamazaki. 166 00:11:14,741 --> 00:11:19,445 And there was some kind of party... 167 00:11:19,445 --> 00:11:20,813 Juzo was there? 168 00:11:20,813 --> 00:11:24,450 Yeah. He was an assistant 169 00:11:20,813 --> 00:11:24,450 director or something. 170 00:11:24,450 --> 00:11:29,822 But they took me away to this strange place, 171 00:11:29,822 --> 00:11:36,696 and said "Call Ryotoku and tell him to stop filming." There were five or six people. 172 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:37,697 You were a hostage. 173 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:39,799 Yeah. They abducted me and locked me up. 174 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:40,733 Really? 175 00:11:40,733 --> 00:11:44,03 And he was the guy from that time, 176 00:11:44,03 --> 00:11:50,510 and at this party he says, "Remember me?" and I say, "I sure do." 177 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:55,281 He'd gotten huge off of writing Tsuribaka Nisshi. This hugely respected author. 178 00:11:56,182 --> 00:12:02,288 But on Kikaider, when we were filming at Sakae Pro, 179 00:12:02,288 --> 00:12:05,124 the work we were doing during the lockout... 180 00:12:05,124 --> 00:12:06,993 It really makes you gutsy. 181 00:12:06,993 --> 00:12:12,131 Seriously. We couldn't have done it without you. 182 00:12:12,131 --> 00:12:16,202 You did everything yourself. 183 00:12:16,202 --> 00:12:22,175 The director even said, "He's the only one there." 184 00:12:22,175 --> 00:12:24,43 There was no one there. 185 00:12:24,43 --> 00:12:29,148 But for TV, you really just needed five or six people. 186 00:12:29,148 --> 00:12:31,517 You could always work it out. 187 00:12:31,517 --> 00:12:34,220 And you find the guts to do it. 188 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:36,389 Yeah, it's basically pure guts. 189 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:37,56 We did. 190 00:12:37,56 --> 00:12:44,731 It's amazing we made something people like under those conditions. 191 00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:47,900 | think people are tired of hearing about this. 192 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,870 Just give it a rest. That's not what they're here for. 193 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:52,171 | mean... 194 00:12:52,171 --> 00:12:55,742 But it really was hard. 195 00:13:00,213 --> 00:13:03,583 And the higher-ups in the company were always there. 196 00:13:03,583 --> 00:13:08,121 We were able to ask them about some stuff, 197 00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:12,659 but back then, it was hard to get in touch with them. 198 00:13:12,659 --> 00:13:14,260 That was really hard. 199 00:13:14,961 --> 00:13:20,166 But looking back on it, it's very nostalgic. 200 00:13:20,166 --> 00:13:23,269 When he uses that finisher at the end... 201 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:28,441 The machine blasts apart and its parts scattered all over the ground. 202 00:13:28,441 --> 00:13:34,480 But it was all the same stuff. 203 00:13:28,441 --> 00:13:34,480 Just all these metal gears. 204 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,348 All gears... 205 00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:41,120 And every so often I'd say, can't we take apart a more complicated machine for this? 206 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,157 And they went to an ironworks 207 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:47,927 and picked up some parts from some scrap. 208 00:13:47,927 --> 00:13:52,31 And maybe because | said that, they made it a little less bad. 209 00:13:52,31 --> 00:13:58,71 But nowadays, if you took a robot apart, it sure wouldn't look like that. 210 00:13:58,71 --> 00:14:00,239 Robots don't have screws and gears. 211 00:14:00,239 --> 00:14:06,212 You'd have to have semiconductors 212 00:14:00,239 --> 00:14:06,212 and computer boards. 213 00:14:06,212 --> 00:14:09,148 But it was pretty amazing. 214 00:14:09,148 --> 00:14:11,517 They were all these pretty lousy gears. 215 00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:14,420 Yeah, just gears scattered around. 216 00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:15,822 It was really something. 217 00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:16,622 A masterpiece. 218 00:14:16,622 --> 00:14:18,725 But | actually think that made it easier to follow. 219 00:14:18,725 --> 00:14:19,892 You're right. 220 00:14:19,892 --> 00:14:20,793 The gears. 221 00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:22,895 For the kids, especially. 222 00:14:22,895 --> 00:14:25,365 If you used semiconductors, they wouldn't know what they were looking at. 223 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:29,01 You don't see that anymore. 224 00:14:29,01 --> 00:14:32,939 Yeah. They'd always say, 225 00:14:32,939 --> 00:14:36,776 "What, do Kikaider's robots work on gears and pulleys?" 226 00:14:39,45 --> 00:14:44,951 One other fun memory | have of Kikaider is the location shoots, 227 00:14:44,951 --> 00:14:48,554 when all the bigwigs would bring their kids along 228 00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:50,790 to watch the filming. 229 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:54,227 Ishinomori-sensei brought Joe-kun and Akira-kun. 230 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:57,196 Ryotoku Watanabe brought Hajime-kun. 231 00:14:57,196 --> 00:15:05,772 And all the big star actors would bring their kids. The kids didn't appear in the show, 232 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:11,811 but they came to watch it, and it was so funny. | still have the pictures. 233 00:15:11,811 --> 00:15:17,383 | look and | think, we were all so young. 234 00:15:17,383 --> 00:15:20,52 Thirty years ago. 235 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:23,222 That's pretty amusing too. 236 00:15:23,222 --> 00:15:28,461 It was all about saying, "Hey, Papa's doing a great job." 237 00:15:28,461 --> 00:15:33,533 If they all go they can see how cool their fathers are. 238 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:39,539 And back then, Toei didn't do proper live shows. 239 00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:44,377 The companies would agree to the location shoots right away. 240 00:15:44,377 --> 00:15:51,551 All the hotels and such 241 00:15:44,377 --> 00:15:51,551 would offer their services. 242 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:55,788 So we had about two 243 00:15:51,551 --> 00:15:55,788 location shoots every month. 244 00:15:55,788 --> 00:16:03,162 That's right. It was so popular. 245 00:16:03,162 --> 00:16:05,364 It was in high demand. 246 00:16:06,432 --> 00:16:14,06 And you had Jiro on his endless wandering journey after their father... 247 00:16:14,06 --> 00:16:16,642 The show ends with that 248 00:16:14,06 --> 00:16:16,642 narration every time, | think. 249 00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:18,678 I think it ends like that every time. 250 00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:21,414 So the question is, "Where will he be next time?" 251 00:16:21,414 --> 00:16:25,218 And nowadays production's getting really big, 252 00:16:25,218 --> 00:16:28,387 and we have so many people on the team, 253 00:16:28,387 --> 00:16:30,189 so location shoots are hard to do. 254 00:16:30,189 --> 00:16:35,294 But back then, having the small teams made it easy. 255 00:16:35,294 --> 00:16:45,505 And it suited the nature of the program. The wandering journey. Which was great. 256 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:47,106 It really was. 257 00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:51,944 Ban-san... at NLT. 258 00:16:51,944 --> 00:16:53,713 Yeah, | remember. 259 00:16:53,713 --> 00:16:56,649 His manager, Akita. 260 00:16:56,649 --> 00:17:00,19 | was close to him. I'm still 261 00:16:56,649 --> 00:17:00,19 close to him, through family. 262 00:17:00,19 --> 00:17:05,625 So we went out to drink, and went to the NLT agency, 263 00:17:05,625 --> 00:17:09,95 and he got a call and had to run an errand, 264 00:17:09,95 --> 00:17:13,633 and there were all these 265 00:17:09,95 --> 00:17:13,633 pictures of NLT's young actors. 266 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:16,335 And while he was gone, | looked through them. 267 00:17:16,335 --> 00:17:18,271 And | thought, "this guy looks good." 268 00:17:18,271 --> 00:17:25,411 | asked Akita if | could keep it, and put the picture in my pocket. 269 00:17:25,411 --> 00:17:28,581 And there were various twists and turns, 270 00:17:28,581 --> 00:17:36,222 and we were at our wits’ end... 271 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:42,94 And he might remember this. Ryotoku Watanabe was at some hotel party. 272 00:17:42,94 --> 00:17:45,364 | brought Ban-san there, 273 00:17:45,364 --> 00:17:50,636 and asked, "what do you think?" and he said "looks good" and decided it on the spot. 274 00:17:50,636 --> 00:17:52,438 That's how it went down. 275 00:17:52,438 --> 00:17:56,275 But I think Mr. Ban wrote somewhere 276 00:17:56,275 --> 00:18:05,618 that | showed my wife a bunch of pictures and she chose him. That's not how it happened. 277 00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:06,619 You know... 278 00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:11,991 It's true that later, we might look and... 279 00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:12,792 Maybe. 280 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:22,435 Confirm, but the idea that we picked him based on a picture is wrong. 281 00:18:22,435 --> 00:18:28,641 And Jun Mizunoe, | wasn't too involved in that. 282 00:18:28,641 --> 00:18:36,182 | remembered this NHK 283 00:18:28,641 --> 00:18:36,182 children's show, Kappa-chan. 284 00:18:36,182 --> 00:18:40,119 She had the kind of face kids would like. 285 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,723 So we found her... 286 00:18:43,723 --> 00:18:45,958 I think you're the one who recommended her. 287 00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:47,793 She was Yuri Kayama, right? 288 00:18:48,260 --> 00:18:51,998 As a singer, she was Yuri Kayama, not Jun Mizunoe. 289 00:18:51,998 --> 00:18:54,00 That's right. 290 00:18:54,567 --> 00:18:57,770 We really had a lot of performers. 291 00:18:57,770 --> 00:19:02,708 There was also... | think | read 292 00:18:57,770 --> 00:19:02,708 something else that was wrong... 293 00:19:02,708 --> 00:19:06,212 but Shu Ueda, who played Hanpei Hattori. 294 00:19:06,212 --> 00:19:13,52 We got him because | was working with Yusuke Watanabe on another show. 295 00:19:13,52 --> 00:19:19,291 He's passed away now, but we were having a discussion, 296 00:19:19,291 --> 00:19:25,665 and he asked me to bring him on for that show. 297 00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:30,770 And | was so impressed by him. 298 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:38,844 And he was so funny, | understood why Director Yusuke spoke so highly of him. 299 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:43,82 And that's why we got him on Kikaider. 300 00:19:43,82 --> 00:19:44,850 Yeah, seriously. 301 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:50,923 He was such a hard worker on Kikaider. 302 00:19:50,923 --> 00:19:53,259 And Ando-san, right here. 303 00:19:53,259 --> 00:19:58,264 Ando-san was a standby for Hirayama-san. 304 00:19:58,264 --> 00:20:06,472 “Ankoku Butoh" - a type of dance performance art. 305 00:19:58,264 --> 00:20:06,472 Ishinomori-sensei... Tatsumi Hijikata's Ankoku Butoh was going on at the time. 306 00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:10,176 | thought Hijikata-san had the perfect image. 307 00:20:10,176 --> 00:20:15,181 - We negotiated with Hijikata-san... - That's right, it really was Hijikata-san. 308 00:20:15,181 --> 00:20:19,351 It definitely died at the negotiation stage. With his manager. 309 00:20:19,351 --> 00:20:23,289 Ando-san was a friend of mine. 310 00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:29,962 He was always great to have around. 311 00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:35,334 | think the most normal 312 00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:35,334 actor there was Izu-san. 313 00:20:35,334 --> 00:20:40,740 But | think he was really enjoying the role. 314 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:44,410 Yeah. He was a veteran actor. 315 00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:50,182 | met Masahiro Kamiya when he was an adult. 316 00:20:50,182 --> 00:20:53,586 He's quite up there now, age-wise. 317 00:20:55,121 --> 00:21:00,25 | think | met him on Barom-7. 318 00:21:00,25 --> 00:21:07,466 All the child actors at the 319 00:21:00,25 --> 00:21:07,466 time were close in age. 320 00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:13,873 Was that the first actor you started using regularly? 321 00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:14,874 Well... 322 00:21:14,874 --> 00:21:16,41 Daitetsujin-17... 323 00:21:16,41 --> 00:21:17,143 Oh, 17. 324 00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,678 - But that was later. 325 00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,678 - Much later. 326 00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:27,319 | think that's where he made 327 00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:27,319 his name as a child actor. 328 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:35,194 | don't drive, so Subaru was your idea, | think. 329 00:21:35,194 --> 00:21:36,862 It was. 330 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:44,03 For the motorcycle, the stuntman was Kenzo Muromachi. 331 00:21:44,03 --> 00:21:48,407 We wanted a good motorcycle with a sidecar. 332 00:21:48,407 --> 00:21:54,847 Kawasaki Motorcycles had this built as a prototype. 333 00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:58,417 So we went to Kawasaki's main office 334 00:21:58,417 --> 00:22:05,324 and said we'd like to borrow 335 00:21:58,417 --> 00:22:05,324 it, and they let us have it. 336 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:11,764 Muromachi said he'd never 337 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:11,764 used anything that cool. 338 00:22:11,764 --> 00:22:14,800 Yeah, he's the one who told me about it. 339 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:22,474 It was a ten-speed. You could switch it between the two. 340 00:22:22,474 --> 00:22:26,779 He loved it. He was so happy. 341 00:22:26,779 --> 00:22:30,282 We asked and he OKed it immediately. 342 00:22:30,282 --> 00:22:38,724 And we said, you don't have to alter it at all, just change the color. 343 00:22:38,724 --> 00:22:43,262 And we borrowed it just like that. 344 00:22:43,262 --> 00:22:48,868 Until then, Kamen Rider's motorcycles were more like... 345 00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:52,438 They were Suzuki. 346 00:22:52,438 --> 00:22:59,812 So Kawasaki didn't have much 347 00:22:52,438 --> 00:22:59,812 to do with shows before or after. 348 00:22:59,812 --> 00:23:03,883 There was that scene, and it was so cool. 349 00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:09,255 But they really made such a great design. 350 00:23:09,255 --> 00:23:10,956 It was really sturdy, too. 351 00:23:10,956 --> 00:23:15,194 It really was... I've seen plenty of bikes, 352 00:23:15,194 --> 00:23:20,933 and that really felt like the best one I've ever seen. 353 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,870 Well, for the rest, 354 00:23:25,371 --> 00:23:28,874 Ban-san, take it over. 355 00:23:28,874 --> 00:23:30,976 Make it good. 356 00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:34,813 Stick cards into the Kikaider Belt! 357 00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:36,48 Design Registration Application Completed 358 00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:36,48 Stick cards into the Kikaider Belt! 359 00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:47,293 Buy Nissin Kikaider Snacks to win a cool Kikaider belt! 360 00:23:54,466 --> 00:23:57,136 Each one contains a Kikaider Card! 361 00:23:57,469 --> 00:24:00,773 Nissin's Kikaider Snack Series! 362 00:24:03,575 --> 00:24:04,843 Stick cards into the Kikaider Belt! 363 00:24:04,843 --> 00:24:06,78 Design Registration Application Completed 364 00:24:04,843 --> 00:24:06,78 Stick cards into the Kikaider Belt! 365 00:24:06,78 --> 00:24:06,345 Stick cards into the Kikaider Belt! 366 00:24:13,85 --> 00:24:17,923 Buy Nissin Kikaider Snacks for two chances of winning a Kikaider Belt! 367 00:24:18,324 --> 00:24:20,826 If you find a Lucky Card, you win the prize! 368 00:24:20,826 --> 00:24:24,96 And even if they're not a winner, send in eight proofs of purchase 369 00:24:24,96 --> 00:24:27,166 and 50,000 kids will receive a Kikaider Belt! 370 00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:30,436 Nissin's Kikaider Snack Series! 371 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:36,41 These commercials apply to the period when Android Kikaider was airing. The product is no longer sold and the presents are no longer awarded. 372 00:24:36,308 --> 00:24:39,44 CM Assistance: 373 00:24:36,308 --> 00:24:39,44 Nissin Confectionery Co., Ltd. JAC 374 00:24:40,45 --> 00:24:42,881 Producers Hirayama and Yoshikawa. 375 00:24:43,382 --> 00:24:46,952 Thank you for those wonderful stories. 376 00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:56,528 Now I, Jiro, will guide you through Kikaider's world. 377 00:24:57,463 --> 00:25:04,203 To begin, I'll show you the transformation pose I've been keeping up my sleeve. 378 00:25:06,71 --> 00:25:08,173 Change! Switch on! 379 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:11,43 1-2-3! 380 00:25:12,644 --> 00:25:12,845 | worked really hard when | was first cast. 381 00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:16,615 Q: Creating the Role 382 00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:16,615 | worked really hard when | was first cast. 383 00:25:16,615 --> 00:25:18,784 Q: Creating the Role 384 00:25:16,615 --> 00:25:18,784 At the time, | was studying as part of a theater troupe. 385 00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:21,854 At the time, | was studying as part of a theater troupe. 386 00:25:21,854 --> 00:25:23,856 It was my first time on-screen. 387 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:28,93 | thought a lot about how to approach it. 388 00:25:28,93 --> 00:25:30,729 Kikaider. A robot. 389 00:25:31,597 --> 00:25:35,868 | thought a lot about how to approach it at the time. 390 00:25:36,602 --> 00:25:46,712 My first idea was that if I'm going to be a robot, he should actually feel extra human. 391 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:58,824 Approaching it that way is what made the role, | think. 392 00:26:00,826 --> 00:26:01,994 Q: Troubles 393 00:26:01,994 --> 00:26:06,799 Q: Troubles 394 00:26:01,994 --> 00:26:06,799 Troubles... for the acting, | just had to think earnestly about how to express the story. 395 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:12,271 Troubles... for the acting, | just had to think earnestly about how to express the story. 396 00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:16,308 The action was much harder. 397 00:26:16,308 --> 00:26:19,11 It was my first time doing action. 398 00:26:19,11 --> 00:26:30,622 So before shooting, | remember having practice at Mishima-san's place. 399 00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:36,61 It was my first time doing on-screen action. 400 00:26:36,61 --> 00:26:39,431 I think that was the hardest part. 401 00:26:40,532 --> 00:26:44,103 It was really difficult. 402 00:26:45,370 --> 00:26:51,143 At Ogouchi Dam. They told me to stand on the top of the dam. 403 00:26:51,143 --> 00:26:53,479 And the wind was really blowing around me. 404 00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:57,216 How was it blowing? 405 00:26:57,216 --> 00:27:03,755 It was blowing down, like it was trying to pull me off. 406 00:27:03,755 --> 00:27:07,860 And Oka-kun, an assistant director then, was there. 407 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:13,999 And he's behind me, holding the cuffs of my jeans to hold me on. 408 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:17,102 But that actually made me feel more unstable. 409 00:27:17,102 --> 00:27:23,142 | remember telling him to stop it. 410 00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:25,244 Thinking back on the transformation pose... 411 00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:30,883 Q: Transformation Pose 412 00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:30,883 Thinking back on the transformation pose... 413 00:27:30,883 --> 00:27:31,183 Q: Transformation Pose 414 00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:35,220 In the staff room at Oizumi, 415 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:41,226 the thing | remember was Director Kitamura. He directed the first episode. 416 00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:45,63 He was there, and Mishima-san was there. 417 00:27:46,231 --> 00:27:51,136 We were discussing how to do it and threw around ideas. 418 00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:55,274 We tried "Change, switch on, 1-2-3." 419 00:27:55,274 --> 00:27:59,211 Or "Switch on, 1-2-3," maybe. 420 00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:08,587 And Kitamura-san said "Wouldn't ‘Change!’ be better?” | remember him saying that. 421 00:28:08,587 --> 00:28:13,492 And we tried a few poses integrating that. 422 00:28:14,593 --> 00:28:19,464 | think Producer Yoshikawa was there, too. 423 00:28:19,464 --> 00:28:22,100 My memory's not great, unfortunately. 424 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:26,205 Kitamura-san gave all this instruction. 425 00:28:26,205 --> 00:28:29,241 "Do it like this, do it like that." 426 00:28:29,241 --> 00:28:33,478 | remember him suggesting a lot of ideas. 427 00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,782 And the eventual transformation 428 00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,782 pose came out of that. 429 00:28:36,782 --> 00:28:40,586 And we agreed the final one was pretty good. 430 00:28:42,221 --> 00:28:42,354 Q: ADR 431 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:46,625 Q: ADR 432 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:46,625 It was my first time doing ADR. 433 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,126 Q: ADR 434 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,126 I didn't have an issue with it. | was voicing my own character. 435 00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:52,231 | didn't have an issue with it. | 436 00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:52,231 was voicing my own character. 437 00:28:52,231 --> 00:29:00,973 It's Jiro and the powered-up version of Jiro, transformed. 438 00:29:00,973 --> 00:29:05,43 It's kind of an extension of the character. 439 00:29:05,43 --> 00:29:07,479 So it wasn't that hard. 440 00:29:07,479 --> 00:29:11,950 And the suit actor at the time 441 00:29:07,479 --> 00:29:11,950 was, | think, Kikuchi-kun? 442 00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:16,555 He did the action scenes. 443 00:29:16,555 --> 00:29:26,398 And it was easy, because everyone was playing their roles so well, with so much emotion. 444 00:29:26,398 --> 00:29:29,34 So | always knew just what to do. 445 00:29:29,34 --> 00:29:31,803 It wasn't hard at all. 446 00:29:32,237 --> 00:29:32,938 | mainly remember thinking everyone was perfect in their roles. 447 00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:38,810 Q: Co-stars 448 00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:38,810 | mainly remember thinking everyone was perfect in their roles. 449 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:38,877 Q: Co-stars 450 00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:38,877 | felt like it was a real masterpiece. 451 00:29:38,877 --> 00:29:41,13 | felt like it was a real masterpiece. 452 00:29:41,13 --> 00:29:50,656 Mitsuko, she had this real sweet, lovely quality to her. 453 00:29:50,656 --> 00:29:57,963 She played the part perfectly. The part was just like her. 454 00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:00,599 That's how I'd like to put it, 455 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:06,705 but | think everyone, rather than "playing a part," 456 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:13,11 they were all putting their emotion into it. The character's qualities. 457 00:30:13,11 --> 00:30:15,380 The genuine qualities of the character. 458 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:19,217 So Mitsuko already had what Mitsuko needed. 459 00:30:19,217 --> 00:30:26,191 And Masaru had his actor's childlike quality. 460 00:30:26,191 --> 00:30:27,993 But at the same time, really mature. 461 00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:29,695 That came out genuinely. 462 00:30:29,695 --> 00:30:34,966 And Hanpen, Ue-chan, he's not playing the comic relief. 463 00:30:34,966 --> 00:30:41,273 He's putting his emotions into the role straightforwardly. 464 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:45,811 It's strange to say it, but it's not forced. 465 00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:48,146 He's not trying to make you laugh. 466 00:30:48,146 --> 00:30:49,915 There's none of that. It's not on purpose. 467 00:30:49,915 --> 00:30:51,850 He's just giving it his all. 468 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:57,889 That's just the amazing quality that he has. 469 00:30:57,889 --> 00:31:04,229 And Izu-san. His character seems so normal. 470 00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:09,67 That's also just a natural quality Izu-san has. So it just comes out. 471 00:31:09,67 --> 00:31:13,171 And Saburo. Mayama-kun. 472 00:31:13,171 --> 00:31:15,674 Mayama-kun is incredible. 473 00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:23,615 | love him, but he's a bit sulky and quiet. 474 00:31:23,615 --> 00:31:27,519 That's just who he is. That's why he was perfect as Hakaider. 475 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,489 And Ando-san. 476 00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:35,260 Ando-san was working so hard in his own way. 477 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:40,198 It felt like he was really forming this evil character inside him to play. 478 00:31:40,198 --> 00:31:46,438 He really put his heart into asking the question, what makes evil "evil"? 479 00:31:46,438 --> 00:31:50,842 That's why the whole thing had this great balance. 480 00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:53,912 Everyone was perfect for their roles. 481 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:58,383 I've been an actor for a few decades now 482 00:31:59,117 --> 00:32:02,220 and this is the only one in all that time that was this perfect. 483 00:32:03,88 --> 00:32:06,925 It honestly feels like a miracle to me. 484 00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:07,659 There's the scene where | jump into the ocean with a bomb. 485 00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:11,563 Q: Injuries 486 00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:11,563 There's the scene where | jump into the ocean with a bomb. 487 00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:13,565 Q: Injuries 488 00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:13,565 I'm supposed to hold the bomb and jump in, and | was trying to show off while | did it. 489 00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:19,171 I'm supposed to hold the bomb and jump in, and | was trying to show off while | did it. 490 00:32:19,171 --> 00:32:26,411 The bomb was like this canister thing. 491 00:32:26,411 --> 00:32:29,181 And | hit my head on that, | think. 492 00:32:29,181 --> 00:32:31,917 And | cut my head open. 493 00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:38,857 And it was bleeding a lot, and the doctor put something on it. 494 00:32:40,258 --> 00:32:47,299 And shooting was done after that and they sent me home. 495 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:52,304 But starting the next day, they gave me the helmet. 496 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,973 Because we just had to keep filming. 497 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,75 So they had me wear the helmet. 498 00:32:57,75 --> 00:33:01,880 And | think | just wore the helmet from then on. 499 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,151 Before then, | wore the sunglasses a lot. 500 00:33:07,552 --> 00:33:11,156 I think that was the only major injury. 501 00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:15,961 Lots of scratches and cuts, of course. 502 00:33:16,228 --> 00:33:16,661 | did some of the outdoor action myself. 503 00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:20,999 Q: Action 504 00:33:16,661 --> 00:33:20,999 | did some of the outdoor action myself. 505 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:22,601 Q: Action 506 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:22,601 But the stunts and stuff, back handsprings and such, 507 00:33:22,601 --> 00:33:28,39 But the stunts and stuff, back handsprings and such, 508 00:33:28,39 --> 00:33:37,415 Ken-chan... Kenji Takahashi, Kenji Ohba did them for me. I'm so grateful. 509 00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:46,458 Speaking of Ohba-kun, he was still so young then. 510 00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:52,330 He was in his teens. Sixteen or so, | think. 511 00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,300 And he was my stuntman. 512 00:33:55,300 --> 00:34:07,913 He really watched me closely, my good and bad qualities. 513 00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:11,983 And it was the way he approached the role. 514 00:34:11,983 --> 00:34:17,155 | think he was studying me. "| shouldn't do it that way.” 515 00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:19,257 "| should do it this way." 516 00:34:19,257 --> 00:34:23,61 He watched me very closely, learning. 517 00:34:23,61 --> 00:34:27,666 And | thought, "This guy's going to go a long way." 518 00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:31,202 He really watched me closely when we were together. 519 00:34:31,202 --> 00:34:35,707 And a lot of it was because of the action, 520 00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:37,943 and that is part of it, of course. 521 00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:42,247 But more than that, he really wanted to be an actor. 522 00:34:42,247 --> 00:34:47,519 So he was looking at me, both my good and bad points. 523 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:51,923 "| should do it like this, | shouldn't do it like that." 524 00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:55,827 I think he learned a lot that way. 525 00:34:58,163 --> 00:35:03,234 Well... regarding the action, | think 526 00:35:03,234 --> 00:35:07,105 at the start, Mishima-san told me... 527 00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:14,579 “"Whoever's in Kikaider, whether it's Kikuchi or someone else, it's all you." 528 00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:18,717 "So you have to watch them." 529 00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:22,120 "You have to stay close and watch, like it's you doing it." 530 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,291 He told me that, and so | watched them every time. 531 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:35,834 | think Mishima-san really trained me well that way. 532 00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:49,547 And... how to put it. | don't remember him telling me to do too much. 533 00:35:49,547 --> 00:35:55,387 | thought a lot about how to approach the action myself. 534 00:35:56,588 --> 00:36:03,995 So by the end, I was pretty used to doing action. 535 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:10,368 Looking back now... 536 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:15,707 This is sort of connected 537 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:15,707 to what | said earlier. 538 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:22,580 When | tried bringing my own quality into the character... 539 00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:24,182 How to put it... 540 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,451 When | started out, | was so green. 541 00:36:26,451 --> 00:36:30,889 | was going on instinct. | didn't think about it too much. 542 00:36:30,889 --> 00:36:33,625 | just approached it earnestly. 543 00:36:33,625 --> 00:36:40,799 More generally, | didn't want to give an unnatural performance. 544 00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:48,606 Children are watching, and you can't fool them. 545 00:36:48,606 --> 00:36:54,446 If you put in a dishonest performance, the children will see right through you. 546 00:36:54,446 --> 00:37:01,820 So | consciously tried to avoid doing that. 547 00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:08,193 But, how to put it... what episode was it? 548 00:37:08,193 --> 00:37:13,231 Playing it so I'm not lying. 549 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,101 Putting my own qualities into it. 550 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:29,581 | kept trying to find the natural approach for Jiro while | went through. 551 00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:37,856 I think it was episode 9 or 10 when | found that approach. 552 00:37:37,856 --> 00:37:43,661 Until then, | was kind of feeling around in the dark. 553 00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:55,840 But | was determined that | wouldn't 554 00:37:43,661 --> 00:37:55,840 lie, | wouldn't give a bad performance. 555 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:14,726 | was trying to play the character of Jiro in a way | could accept for myself. 556 00:38:14,726 --> 00:38:17,562 And | finally found the character. 557 00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:20,64 | was really glad about that. 558 00:38:20,698 --> 00:38:20,765 That's right. For the robots... Mishima-san often said 559 00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:26,738 Q: Lovable Characters 560 00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:26,738 That's right. For the robots... Mishima-san often said 561 00:38:26,738 --> 00:38:26,805 That's right. For the robots... Mishima-san often said 562 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:33,211 "Kikaider's monsters 563 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:33,211 are all pretty cute, huh?" 564 00:38:33,211 --> 00:38:38,583 I still remember him saying it. 565 00:38:38,583 --> 00:38:41,85 I think that's a great expression. 566 00:38:41,85 --> 00:38:46,191 The whole show is lovable, even the monsters. 567 00:38:46,191 --> 00:38:53,698 I think that's part of what makes the show so memorable. 568 00:38:53,698 --> 00:39:00,38 And him saying the monsters are cute really stuck in my head. 569 00:39:00,38 --> 00:39:03,641 It's like that finally explained it. 570 00:39:03,641 --> 00:39:06,911 By cute, | mean... well... 571 00:39:08,79 --> 00:39:12,584 Obviously, they're scary too. 572 00:39:12,584 --> 00:39:14,485 "Grr, I'm a monster." 573 00:39:14,953 --> 00:39:18,756 But there's a part of them... how to put it. 574 00:39:18,756 --> 00:39:27,131 They're not all scary all the time, so you can rest easy around them. 575 00:39:27,131 --> 00:39:31,436 Yeah. | think they're lovable. 576 00:39:31,436 --> 00:39:33,938 Yeah. They're lovable. 577 00:39:33,938 --> 00:39:42,180 Mishima-san saying that they're cute, that they're lovable. 578 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:47,986 | thought about a lot of things while making Kikaider. 579 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:53,424 It's just that kind of show. 580 00:39:53,424 --> 00:39:56,594 Honestly, the music was amazing, too. 581 00:39:56,594 --> 00:40:02,967 | don't mention it much, but Chumei-san did great with the music. 582 00:40:02,967 --> 00:40:07,105 That's another part that made it so great. 583 00:40:07,105 --> 00:40:12,810 It's miraculous in so many ways. 584 00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:18,716 Everything was so perfect. That's why people love it. 585 00:40:18,716 --> 00:40:23,87 I've been an actor for decades now 586 00:40:18,716 --> 00:40:23,87 and I've never had a show so perfect. 587 00:40:23,87 --> 00:40:26,791 | don't think I ever have. 588 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:29,894 That's how good it is. 589 00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:32,230 Q: Hakaider 590 00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:38,36 Q: Hakaider 591 00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:38,36 | love the character of Hakaider. 592 00:40:38,36 --> 00:40:38,202 | love the character of Hakaider. 593 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:44,442 | loved it so much, | wished | could play it myself. 594 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:53,17 Being able to play a character so cool. | love that kind of thing. 595 00:40:53,17 --> 00:40:56,421 | sometimes wish | could 596 00:40:53,17 --> 00:40:56,421 have played that role instead. 597 00:40:56,421 --> 00:40:59,57 Though | doubt | could handle it. 598 00:41:01,592 --> 00:41:07,765 I think it's completely natural that Hakaider was so popular. 599 00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:09,600 In the show. 600 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,104 Because that's how it was written. 601 00:41:13,104 --> 00:41:16,474 It's the best role. As an actor. 602 00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:18,576 It's the best role. 603 00:41:19,10 --> 00:41:23,181 So | think it's totally natural that he became popular. 604 00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:26,884 And it's odd to say this for myself, 605 00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:33,257 but at least the role of Jiro, of Kikaider, 606 00:41:33,257 --> 00:41:39,197 is what made the role of Hakaider possible. 607 00:41:39,897 --> 00:41:40,832 Q: The Appeal of Kikaider 608 00:41:40,832 --> 00:41:45,870 Q: The Appeal of Kikaider 609 00:41:40,832 --> 00:41:45,870 Thirty-something years ago, in Hawaii, 610 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:47,905 Thirty-something years ago, in Hawaii, 611 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:52,143 | think about a year after Kikaider first aired, 612 00:41:52,143 --> 00:42:00,351 it aired over there. 613 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:05,256 It was Joanne Ninomiya then, I think. 614 00:42:05,256 --> 00:42:09,60 She wanted to hold an event there, and | had never done that before. 615 00:42:09,60 --> 00:42:12,830 She said the Kikaider character 616 00:42:09,60 --> 00:42:12,830 was popular over there. 617 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:16,968 They thought Kikaider was so cool. 618 00:42:18,169 --> 00:42:22,807 I didn't know why they liked him so much. 619 00:42:23,808 --> 00:42:30,281 Honestly, they had so many TV shows over there. 620 00:42:30,281 --> 00:42:36,20 Obviously, various tokusatsu stuff, too. 621 00:42:36,20 --> 00:42:41,793 For some reason, Kikaider caught on. 622 00:42:41,793 --> 00:42:48,132 And as | said before, Kikaider is like a miraculous show to me, 623 00:42:48,132 --> 00:42:50,134 so | think it's natural that it would catch on. 624 00:42:50,134 --> 00:42:57,08 My thought is that it comes off the same way to everyone. 625 00:42:57,08 --> 00:43:11,122 The people of Japan and the people of Hawaii felt the exact same way about Kikaider. 626 00:43:11,122 --> 00:43:13,758 | think Spielberg's movies are the same way. 627 00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:18,996 You can watch them whether 628 00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:18,996 you're a child or an adult. 629 00:43:18,996 --> 00:43:31,375 | don't think of movies as something only children or adults should watch. 630 00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:36,481 Of course, sometimes a thing really is more adult-oriented. 631 00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:43,54 But | think it's good to have a wide range of appreciation 632 00:43:43,54 --> 00:43:45,123 and not box yourself in so much. 633 00:43:45,957 --> 00:43:48,493 | think it's good to approach with an open mind, 634 00:43:49,60 --> 00:43:54,999 and appreciate when something's just good. 635 00:43:54,999 --> 00:44:03,508 I think even tokusatsu programs should be viewed that way. 636 00:44:05,476 --> 00:44:12,583 The video you're about to see is from 30 years ago. 637 00:44:14,352 --> 00:44:19,90 From an event that took place in Hawaii. 638 00:44:19,891 --> 00:44:28,766 The thing people in Hawaii saw on TV was about to unfold in front of them, 639 00:44:28,766 --> 00:44:33,37 and they were so excited about it. 640 00:44:34,238 --> 00:44:40,411 It was my first time in Hawaii, too, so | was very excited, too. 641 00:44:46,50 --> 00:44:48,586 It's a familiar format in Japan, 642 00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:57,128 but the host here and all the 643 00:44:48,586 --> 00:44:57,128 announcers are speaking in English. 644 00:44:57,128 --> 00:44:59,463 It feels a little odd in that way. 645 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:08,172 But his comments really got the audience revved up. 646 00:45:09,941 --> 00:45:15,213 The atmosphere was electric. 647 00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:36,467 It was very easy for me, because the atmosphere was so similar to Japan. 648 00:45:51,82 --> 00:45:59,90 And the members of Mishima 649 00:45:51,82 --> 00:45:59,90 Kenyukai came along. 650 00:45:59,90 --> 00:46:04,562 They showed off Japanese swordplay. 651 00:46:12,36 --> 00:46:18,409 I'm not sure if this is common, 652 00:46:18,409 --> 00:46:27,385 but in addition to being a Kikaider event, it's also an introduction to Japanese culture. 653 00:46:27,385 --> 00:46:30,21 | thought that was just great. 654 00:46:37,128 --> 00:46:42,300 Kikuchi-kun's the one in white. 655 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:47,638 The guy who plays Kikaider in the suit. 656 00:46:47,638 --> 00:47:03,120 On-screen, he does most of the action scenes. 657 00:47:07,24 --> 00:47:15,866 Kikuchi-kun, who can do this kind of Japanese-style action, is also in the Kikaider suit. 658 00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:31,649 The kaiju are also so memorable. 659 00:47:31,649 --> 00:47:36,787 The people of Hawaii were so happy to see them. 660 00:47:36,787 --> 00:47:46,664 | don't think they get to take center stage in Japan as often. 661 00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:03,180 And here's my own appearance. 662 00:48:14,358 --> 00:48:17,395 I'm answering in English, 663 00:48:18,262 --> 00:48:22,867 and | think what I'm saying 664 00:48:22,867 --> 00:48:27,304 is complimenting the people of Hawaii. 665 00:48:27,805 --> 00:48:31,375 It's rare to see me speak English like this. 666 00:48:33,711 --> 00:48:40,851 We discussed what to talk about in advance. 667 00:48:40,851 --> 00:48:48,559 "I'll say this, and you respond with this." We worked it out. 668 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:58,302 I think I really listened and spoke from the heart. 669 00:49:15,186 --> 00:49:19,757 And here's the "Haru ga Kureba" song. 670 00:49:19,757 --> 00:49:21,692 Please listen to it. 671 00:49:57,328 --> 00:49:59,396 They really liked that one. 672 00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:02,700 It really is a great song. 673 00:50:10,774 --> 00:50:16,447 | hear them clapping in time. It feels like we're all performing together. 674 00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:28,192 You can tell how much 675 00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:28,192 the kids are enjoying it. 676 00:50:48,812 --> 00:50:55,786 And here, we have the kids do the transformation pose. 677 00:50:56,420 --> 00:51:01,792 Change! Switch on! 1-2-3! 678 00:51:01,792 --> 00:51:03,694 Yeah! 679 00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:07,965 The kids are all taking it so seriously. 680 00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:12,469 Change! Switch on! 1-2-3! 681 00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:12,469 The kids are all taking it so seriously. 682 00:51:12,469 --> 00:51:13,170 Change! Switch on! 1-2-3! 683 00:51:21,779 --> 00:51:24,648 Change! Switch on! 684 00:51:24,648 --> 00:51:27,551 1-2-3! 685 00:51:24,648 --> 00:51:27,551 I'm sure you can tell from watching them, 686 00:51:27,551 --> 00:51:28,385 I'm sure you can tell from watching them, 687 00:51:28,385 --> 00:51:30,487 but you've got a kid of Japanese descent, then this girl, who's white. 688 00:51:30,487 --> 00:51:33,223 Change! Switch on! 1-2-3! 689 00:51:30,487 --> 00:51:33,223 but you've got a kid of Japanese descent, then this girl, who's white. 690 00:51:33,223 --> 00:51:35,25 Change! Switch on! 1-2-3! 691 00:51:35,25 --> 00:51:41,131 You can see what a diverse place Hawaii is. 692 00:51:42,633 --> 00:51:46,904 And regardless of race, they all love Kikaider. 693 00:51:46,904 --> 00:51:50,641 | think that shows how amazing the show is. 694 00:52:12,663 --> 00:52:14,798 Now Hakaider appears. 695 00:52:14,798 --> 00:52:19,570 The audience knows the story very well, 696 00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:22,573 so you Can really see a great response. 697 00:52:42,493 --> 00:52:44,28 They made the stage up specially. 698 00:52:44,28 --> 00:52:48,832 It really looks great. 699 00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:56,173 Even in Japan, it's pretty rare to have a show this great. 700 00:53:21,999 --> 00:53:30,841 When you watch it, you can see that kids in Hawaii and Japan both 701 00:53:30,841 --> 00:53:36,280 really get excited about this kind of action. 702 00:53:41,51 --> 00:53:48,192 And those children... the kids from that era. 703 00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:51,328 They're in their 30s and 40s now. 704 00:53:51,328 --> 00:53:55,733 I think they get something special from it. 705 00:53:58,102 --> 00:53:59,970 Now 01 shows up. 706 00:53:59,970 --> 00:54:07,344 The one in the costume is the 707 00:53:59,970 --> 00:54:07,344 one who was in it in the show. 708 00:54:07,344 --> 00:54:12,282 Mitsuashi-kun is in the 01 costume. 709 00:54:12,282 --> 00:54:15,419 I think the action is pretty easy to follow. 710 00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:49,52 His punches really land. 711 00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:04,835 I'd love to do a show 712 00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:04,835 like this in Hawaii again, 713 00:55:04,835 --> 00:55:09,72 but sadly, they don't do this kind of thing so much anymore. 714 00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:13,510 That makes this video really precious. 715 00:55:17,214 --> 00:55:23,287 | wish | could show something like this to kids today. 716 00:55:23,287 --> 00:55:28,759 I think it would be hard to do nowadays. 717 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:42,573 But watching it now, I| really do feel glad we got to do it for the kids of Hawaii. 718 00:55:42,573 --> 00:55:45,709 Watching them get so fired up... 719 00:55:45,709 --> 00:55:48,545 It's just... how to put it... 720 00:55:48,545 --> 00:55:53,483 Wherever they're from... 721 00:55:53,483 --> 00:56:03,393 The children of Japan and the children of Hawaii, the way they get excited... 722 00:56:03,393 --> 00:56:11,168 No matter when they were born... 723 00:56:11,802 --> 00:56:23,680 It really makes you feel like children are the same everywhere. 724 00:56:27,551 --> 00:56:29,920 Children's hearts are all the same. 725 00:56:32,689 --> 00:56:36,59 In Japan, too, if we keep making great TV shows 726 00:56:36,59 --> 00:56:39,930 and putting on performances like this... 727 00:56:40,998 --> 00:56:45,669 Maybe you don't see it watching this video of Hawaii, 728 00:56:45,669 --> 00:56:49,206 but | hope we keep getting those chances. 729 00:56:49,206 --> 00:56:55,178 That's something | feel watching this. 730 00:56:58,282 --> 00:57:04,254 Looking back now, I'd love to say thank you to the people of Hawaii. 731 00:57:10,661 --> 00:57:18,635 And there's a few Kikaider 732 00:57:10,661 --> 00:57:18,635 props that you can't forget. 733 00:57:18,635 --> 00:57:20,804 First, the red guitar. 734 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,945 Red Guitar 735 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,945 This always has to appear in the show. 736 00:57:27,945 --> 00:57:29,346 Red Guitar 737 00:57:29,913 --> 00:57:37,487 The guitar melody goes dun-dun-dun-dun-dun, then it appears. 738 00:57:38,622 --> 00:57:44,795 You have to choose the length and placement of the strap. 739 00:57:44,795 --> 00:57:49,299 We needed to know where to put it to provide the best balance. 740 00:57:50,33 --> 00:57:56,974 Normally with a guitar, the neck points down. 741 00:57:56,974 --> 00:57:58,842 That's typical. 742 00:57:58,842 --> 00:58:05,215 But it doesn't look as cool if it points down. 743 00:58:05,215 --> 00:58:10,921 We had to figure out what looked best during standing poses. 744 00:58:11,355 --> 00:58:13,957 So the strap location, when it's on my back, 745 00:58:13,957 --> 00:58:16,159 it has to be here. 746 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:17,561 We had to attach it here. 747 00:58:17,561 --> 00:58:20,597 Normally it'd be here. 748 00:58:21,832 --> 00:58:26,837 But when we do that, it makes it harder to move. 749 00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:31,141 So during action scenes 750 00:58:31,141 --> 00:58:36,313 we change the strap placement to here. 751 00:58:36,313 --> 00:58:41,718 That's the first thing the red guitar makes me think of. 752 00:58:43,153 --> 00:58:46,757 And there's one other item. 753 00:58:49,92 --> 00:58:50,27 This. 754 00:58:50,27 --> 00:58:51,61 Helmet 755 00:58:50,27 --> 00:58:51,61 This. 756 00:58:51,61 --> 00:58:51,628 Helmet 757 00:58:51,628 --> 00:58:53,930 Helmet 758 00:58:51,628 --> 00:58:53,930 This helmet. This white helmet. 759 00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:54,831 Helmet 760 00:58:54,831 --> 00:58:55,966 Helmet 761 00:58:54,831 --> 00:58:55,966 This became absolutely indispensable. 762 00:58:55,966 --> 00:58:59,403 This became absolutely indispensable. 763 00:58:59,403 --> 00:59:01,571 Starting halfway through. 764 00:59:01,571 --> 00:59:06,476 So, you know... 765 00:59:06,476 --> 00:59:12,349 At the shoot at Izu, | dove into the ocean and cut my head open. 766 00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:18,288 And ever since, | had to wear this helmet. 767 00:59:18,288 --> 00:59:26,163 So the final silhouette was me 768 00:59:18,288 --> 00:59:26,163 all in denim, wearing the guitar 769 00:59:26,163 --> 00:59:29,399 with the helmet on. 770 00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:33,370 | think the sunglasses were great, too, 771 00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:47,217 but since I've got the Sidemachine, I think the helmet version 772 00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:47,217 makes sense, and it's cool. 773 00:59:47,217 --> 00:59:51,688 Even in Hawaii, the children... 774 00:59:51,688 --> 00:59:54,658 They would dress up like Jiro. 775 00:59:54,658 --> 00:59:57,160 They'd come up to me. 776 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,297 They'd come with the helmet on 777 01:00:00,297 --> 01:00:05,902 in the jean jacket and the guitar on their back. 778 01:00:05,902 --> 01:00:12,609 So | think that's part of why "Jiro in the helmet" is such a powerful image. 779 01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:13,944 Yeah. 780 01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,879 In San Diego, too. 781 01:00:15,879 --> 01:00:24,287 There were cosplayers. These white men in their 20s. 782 01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:27,290 There were two of them, cosplaying. 783 01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:31,528 They had the helmet on. 784 01:00:31,528 --> 01:00:33,296 | was so surprised. 785 01:00:33,296 --> 01:00:36,466 This was mainland USA. Not Hawaii. 786 01:00:36,466 --> 01:00:38,535 That really surprised me. 787 01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:47,277 Kikaider really transcends its era. 788 01:00:47,277 --> 01:00:54,751 Even though it's from thirty years ago, it reaches Hawaii, and even the American mainland. 789 01:00:54,751 --> 01:01:00,257 It transcends region and time 790 01:01:00,257 --> 01:01:06,930 | really feel like it's alive, now and forever. 791 01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:16,873 | don't know what it is about the 792 01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:16,873 show. I've said it a few times, 793 01:01:16,873 --> 01:01:21,645 but it really feels like a miraculous show. 794 01:01:21,645 --> 01:01:30,754 In the 21th century, will humans and robots be in conflict, 795 01:01:30,754 --> 01:01:34,191 or will they learn to live in peace? 796 01:01:34,191 --> 01:01:40,163 This is a show that makes 797 01:01:34,191 --> 01:01:40,163 you think about that. 798 01:01:40,163 --> 01:01:42,499 It's a show that makes you afraid, 799 01:01:42,499 --> 01:01:47,671 and also presents it as a step forward. 800 01:01:47,671 --> 01:01:52,309 These are becoming things humans need to think about more. 801 01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:56,279 I think this is a theme of the 21st century. 802 01:01:56,279 --> 01:02:04,721 And | think Kikaider is 803 01:01:56,279 --> 01:02:04,721 an important part of that. 804 01:02:06,923 --> 01:02:13,763 x "Making of Kikaider" has been reproduced from the video extras of the 2004 DVD release.